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@cloudguy@mastodon.terabyte-computing.com nothing you said meant that could not be valid.

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I know this is a losing battle, but:

Business Source License is BUSL, not BSL.

The BSL is the Boost Software License, a perfectly legit, and (importantly) actually open source license.

@mattwilcox When thinking about code I visually see it a bit more like an electric circuit.

With things and processes connected together and something flowing through.

I'm a big believer that lots of people work and function in different ways, and often we get the best out of people when we let them work the best way for them.

@mattwilcox I remember reading some books on Dyslexia which said most Dyslexics are visual thinkers over verbal thinkers.

I often find myself in situations where I get frustrated with other people as I have to wait for them to verbally reason through something, which was obvious to me based on how I visualised it in my head.

@mattwilcox I also find it very easy to visualise and manipulate physical objects in my mind, which is pretty handy for CAD modelling and designing electronics.

If I do have an internal monologue its often ruminating on something, often reliving it vividly. Sometimes its to practice what I might say.

As I type this most I don't have an internal monologue, more I'm reading back what I've written as a check. If I speak with someone, I don't have any internal monologue.

@mattwilcox I'd say I have little to no internal monologue.

I don't think in words, I think visually. Often if I cannot build a mental visualisation for a concept I can't understand it.

I find it hard to understand people who can only think with language.

I often find coding is merely typing what I've already designed visually in my mind. As such I hate pair programming because I can't articulate a process or why I'm doing things, but it'll come together in the end.

@bigcalm speaker phone and record on computer, lofi, but worked when I needed to once.

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@pwramsey @hobu wasn't the real political idea behind Free Software, that, together we don't need to put up with that kind of stuff. Or at least that is my interpretation.

Change requires collective action.

A lot of us work for companies who use AWS services, do we rebel enough? Do we stand up for what we believe enough?

@hobu Right. The relative size of the monetary need of OSS against the rake AWS is hauling in is kind of the key factor. Mind you, "it's obscene" is a description that can be applied to situations all over our society. In general, those with the weaker hand are simply condemned to take what's on offer, no more.

@pwramsey That's just it. Open source happens at the individual level, not the organization one, and organizations like AWS take advantage of that fact.

AWS is wants to say and act like it's just like "any other individual actor", but it's not. It's the toll bridge where the value from a lot of these tools is extracted. Same for GCS/Azure.

And it's all bloviation for what in the end, even as total support to open source by all could vendors in total, is budget dust.

@pwramsey IMHO fundamentally its about ethics. The metric should be the % of revenue which goes towards the project. And I bet smaller companies actually contribute more. I also personally think more small companies contributing to a common goal is worth way more than any single company.

Yet, this is often the total opposite of what actually succeeds. As such I think the best thing any support of O/S cab do is garner support for grass roots O/S entities.

Buying production services from organizations that lack code-level expertise in the underlying software seems risky, but it's a risk that right now a lot of IT shops are... if not "willing to take", are at least "willing to ignore".

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An open question is how we create incentive structures larger that these huge companies. Some of it might be culture? The same IT culture that doesn't want to spin production software without a "support contract" could refuse to buy services from clouds that don't employ experts.

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But it's a structural problem that can really only be solved by the big companies stepping up and saying, "we recognize we have a unique role to fill here, as the ones extracting the most value from this ecosystem". We cannot MAKE them do it. They have to WANT to do it.

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When the companies that are making billions off open source are contributing less than the companies making millions, or (gulp) the contractors and small businesses making thousands... that's not a legal problem or a licensing problem.

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The "main event", to me, is to what extent AWS (and Azure and Google), who make serious bank by spinning open source, engage with the challenge of keeping the software they spin alive.

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The wailing of VC-backed "open source" companies about AWS, followed by their demonstrating their commitment to open source by ... closing their source. It's all such a sideshow.

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